Secret (Elemental #4): review discussion

January 13, 2014 2014, 3.5 star books, brigid kemmerer, Kate, paranormal, review discussion, Wendy 71 ★★★½

Secret (Elemental #4): review discussionSecret by Brigid Kemmerer
Series: Elemental #4
Published by Kensington Teen on January 28, 2014
Genres: paranormal
Pages: 352
Format: ARC
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three-half-stars
Nowhere is safe. Not even home…

Nick Merrick is stretched to the breaking point.

Keep his grades sky-high or he’ll never escape his hometown.
Keep his brother’s business going or the Merricks will be out on the street.
Keep the secret of where he’s going in the evenings from his own twin—-or he’ll lose his family.
Keep his mind off the hot, self-assured dancer who’s supposed to be his “girlfriend’s” partner.

Of course there’s also the homicidal freak Quinn has taken to hanging around, and the Elemental Guide counting the hours until he can try again to kill the Merrick brothers.

There’s a storm coming. From all sides. And then some.

Hi everyone! Since Kate and I are both big fans of the Elemental series, we decided it’d be fun to do a joint review discussion for Secret, the latest installment. Please be aware that there will be spoilers for this series in our chat, although we won’t give away any major plot points in this particular book. Let’s begin!

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Wendy: Brigid sure doesn’t mess around. The book stars off with a debriefing/interrogation scene, and then bam! There’s an unexpected event and we’re immediately plunged into the action. It’s great how the prologue serves as both a recap and to jolt you into feeling like you’re in this world again.

Kate: I thought the recap aspects, in particular, were very well done.  And what I like about the Unexpected Event was how bad-ass and scary Silver was in the last book, you know?  And how I can feel sorry for a character I thought was human garbage previously (this is kind of a theme of this series).

Wendy: It really turned everything you thought about Silver on its head. This was a fun book, like all the previous ones. It’s a little more angsty, and maybe teeters on some typical New Adult type themes at times, but I thought the new antagonist was interesting, even if the main story arc with the Elementals takes more of a back seat in this installment. I love the scenes when the boys use their abilities–there’s such a barely-controlled, earthy power in the way the author describes those scenes, and they never fail to thrill me.

Kate: I loved every scene that was just hot boys hanging out together. She writes them so well. Gah, this series.  I love it.

Wendy: Yes! Sometimes the boys get criticized for their smack talk, but I think they’re very realistically written. I gotta admit, I wasn’t a huge fan of Quinn’s POV, though.

Kate: Yeah. She definitely felt like a real person, but not the kind I would want to interact with ever. Hers is my least favorite storyline so far in this series.  I also didn’t quite buy the language of how she bodyshamed herself, and I didn’t love when she insulted girls who looked the way she wanted to.  I bought it (I was mocked til I cried because of the thin, boobless dancer body I had in high school), but it made me not like her at all. I’m also confused about the situation with her dad.  I think this may be one of those things where Brigid, like Gayle Forman, is best at writing middle class characters.  Which is totally fine and suits all the rest of her characters.

Wendy: I agree with the least favorite character thing. I found her story arc to be more frustrating than anything else–I mean, it was fine, except I just wanted to get on with Nick’s story and I wasn’t all that interested in what was happening with her. The most compelling thing was her realization that Becca’s known all this stuff about the Elementals all along, but even so. Didn’t get my pulse racing.

Kate: Actually, now that I think about it, I am confused about more things: So her family used to have a little money, and that’s how she got dance lessons, but now they are poor?  And her mom became an alcoholic…because of that?  I’m legit confused by what is going on here.  I couldn’t get a handle on it. And her little brother has a gaming system, which is also not a super cheap thing–especially when you consider that Quinn saved up forever to buy her iPod.  And WHAT IS UP WITH HER DAD.

Wendy:  I’m…not sure. Nicky’s so much more interesting that I was pretty much trying to get to him, because if people have read Breathless, they know about the big secret that Nick’s been hiding from his brothers. I was really excited when I heard that this character is gay; you don’t see a lot of mainstream books (particularly YA) where the character’s sexuality isn’t the main focus of the story, though certainly books like this and Proxy are changing that.

Kate: Yes.  Yes yes yesssss.

Nick kissed him. Not with the feverish intensity of a few moments ago, but a bare brush of the lips.

When he tried to pull away, Adam caught his face and held him there, putting his forehead against his. “You’re going to break my heart. I can feel it.”

“Not if I can help it.” He put a hand over Adam’s, holding it to his cheek. “Slow?”

Adam nodded, turning his head to kiss Nick’s palm.

Then he grinned. “Well,” Adam said. “Slower.

Wendy: The romantic scenes between Nick and Adam are filled with both tenderness and sexual tension, probably more so than any other LGBT YA couple I’ve read to date. Brigid told me she felt strongly that they deserved that, since the previous couples in her books were afforded that opportunity. Fortunately her editor was all for it, so kudos to Kensington Teen for setting a great example in this way. We want to see relationships portrayed honestly in fiction, whether they’re straight or otherwise.

Kate: Yeah. And the stuff between the guys was legit sexy. But in terms of the other romantic relationship in the book… View Spoiler »

Wendy: That was a little squicky to me too; it’s different when you’re older, but at Quinn’s age it raises some eyebrows. Are we hypocrites since we both liked Unteachable so much? I guess I feel like that issue was addressed in that book, even if they did blow everything out of the water, hah.

Kate: We are not hypocrites. Unteachable is erotica, which is sexual fantasy-based, and a big part of the fantasy there is the fact that it is wrong. Also, I haven’t found many YA stories with incidentally lesbian main characters–have you? Other than Ash?  And even Ash, if I remember correctly, did not have sweet, sexy love scenes like Brigid wrote for these boys.

Wendy: The only one I can think of is Reese from the Adaptation series, who has feelings for both a guy and a girl. That’s also by Malinda Lo, and describes same-sex attraction well. Secret takes a little bit more time with Nick and Adam’s physical relationship, though, and I like that it is portrayed in such a healthy way. The pure masculinity of their make-out scenes is also really enjoyable.

Side note: reading text conversations in books usually drives me bonkers. But I like the way it’s done in this series, they’re fantastic examples of how to convey flirtatiousness and meaning and feeling in just a handful of words. Also, COMPLETE WORDS AND SENTENCES.

Kate: Seriously. The only person who uses txtspk with me is my dad, and he’s super old. Young people don’t do that. Oh, and the thing early in the book about a smiley face text just being a parenthesis smile, not a D one, made me laugh.

Wendy: But but but. I do have all kinds of upset over this cover. I’m not prone to dissecting cover art too often in reviews, but in this case I can’t help it. I really, really wish that there were two boys on the cover–this relationship is written with such integrity and passion that it’s disappointing that it’s not represented in the packaging. If we can’t have two boys, I would say that putting Quinn on the cover is at least misleading, because it feels like a misdirect from the core relationship. I get that there are scenes from her POV, but let’s face it–nobody’s reading this for her. Vague blurbing is one thing, but it seems like a disservice to the material when the cover art is SO not a representation of what the heart of the book is about.

And don’t get me started on the new model for Nick and the awful wooden appearance in general. This series deserves so much better.

Kate: Oh, I don’t think that’s a new Nick. Is it? Why would they recast that gorgeous dude? I’d assumed it was Tyler, since we’ve already had two books with a twin on the cover. He looks like an insecure bouncer with his thumb hooked in his pocket like that. Doesn’t he look like a big dumb Tyler-y oaf? I hope the model doesn’t see this. Also, that girl is NOT thick.  She’s super thin.

Wendy: Oh no, I assumed it was Nick! Why would that guy be on the cover? I may be even unhappier now. But it sort of makes sense that the model changed if it’s Tyler. Arrrrgh.

Kate: Wendy, if this is a new Nick, I am upset.  Nick does NOT dress like that.  Or… hair.  Not that hair.  Please, gods, don’t let that be Nick.

Wendy: We’ll have to ask Brigid. What did you think of how Nick’s coming out was handled? I thought it seemed pretty realistic, and I liked how most of the scenes with the brothers unfolded. However, View Spoiler » I didn’t even need a long scene, necessarily, just one that provided a bit more of an emotional punch.

Kate: I don’t know. I liked that View Spoiler » And I agree that that scene was nowhere near sufficient. Also, View Spoiler »

Wendy: Agreed, I rarely like the big dramatic public declaration thing. It feels very Hollywood, and kind of not like Gabe. And I like Adam, but I also think his character was also surprisingly…a lot like you would often expect a gay character to be written? Ballet dancer, View Spoiler », etc. He seems like a nice guy, but I wish he’d been a little more interesting. It’s hard, though, because I still feel that Gabriel and Layne’s relationship in Spark has been the most nuanced of all the couples. They’re both complicated and compelling as individuals, but although they are opposites, you really see how they bring out the best in each other.

Kate: Yeah. It’s tough because the whole series feels like a metaphor for things like being gay, so when it becomes literal… Anyway, I think I was a little bummed that I liked this book less than I did Spirit (which I loved), because heading into that book I was not a fan of Hunter. I think that Nick’s easygoing nature maybe made him more difficult to write? And it feels like Brigid decided to err on the side of not insulting gay people or giving people a negative opinion of the gay couple when it comes to Nick and Adam’s relationship, you know? And I totally get that, if it is the case, but the lack of FUN conflict in their relationship really bummed me out. They were a little too perfect for each other. Especially coming right after Hunter and Kate who had all the banter. I still really liked the book, though, and I only gave it 3.5 stars because it’s not as good the other novels in the series.

Wendy: I thought I’d like this book more than Hunter’s story too, but yeah, I felt a bit let down on Nick’s behalf; you’re probably right about the difficulty of writing his story, and perhaps about the choices made regarding his relationship with Adam. I still enjoyed this, though, and I’m looking forward to Michael’s novel. I’ve always liked him, and I’m curious to know what emotions are simmering beneath the calm, reasonable surface there.

Kate: I adore Michael.  He’s such a grump. I think he’s the ideal person to narrate the story where I’m assuming View Spoiler ».  I’m really excited about the next book–especially after how this one ended.  Holy crap, that ending. Really, really, really excited.

Wendy: Heh. View Spoiler » We can only hope.

Secret Brigid Kemmerer

Advance copies were provided by the publisher for this review. Thanks to Brigid for the shout-out in the acknowledgments for this book, too!  I’m sure the bloggers who participated in the Spirit tour will appreciate it.

 

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So have you read Secret yet, or are you excited to get your hands on it soon?

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71 Responses to “Secret (Elemental #4): review discussion”

  1. Deyse

    That was such I fun way to do a review! I felt like I was talking with you guys or watching a conversation of yours, just adored it. Also I totally agreed that the way Kemmer wrote the gay scenes are so good, it wasn’t like any other book that I had ever read.
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  2. Maria

    Wendy/Kate, is this as hot as Nick’s e-novella, Breathless? Or hotter? ;)

    I just skimmed through your review discussion (I don’t want spoilers, haha). Quinn is already a nuisance in Breathless already, so I better brace for her in Secret.
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    • Wendy Darling

      Maria, I am pleased to confirm that this book is, in fact, HOTTER. :D

      And yes, I ended up reading through Quinn’s POV pretty fast. I’m really curious to see what other people think of her sections, both those who didn’t like her and otherwise. I kind of get what the author was trying to do with the character, making an unsympathetic one more sympathetic, but I think she’s done a much better job with that with Gabe and a few other characters. I just like most of her boys better than her female ones, I think. Except I really do like Hannah and Layne.

  3. Kate @ Ex Libris

    Well, you guys converted me to this series, and I’m so glad that the next book is almost here!

    I am 100% with you on the text conversation thing. There is no reason to use abbreviations anymore. It drives me crazy. Yes, I realize that makes me sound old. I *am* old.
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    • Wendy Darling

      Less than two weeks until it’s out! I’m so glad you’re enjoying this series, Kate.

      And yeah, I can’t stand most text conversations when they’re printed in books. It’s rarely as cute or interesting as the authors intend them to be.

    • Wendy Darling

      My little virgin-no-longer, I’m surprised you haven’t read this yet, too! I hope you’ll get to it soon so we can discuss ALL THE THINGS. I’m really curious what you’ll think of this one, given that you and I have had pretty much the exact same taste when it comes to the individual books and boys.

      And yay, I’m glad you like this review format–it was more fun for us to do something like this in this way, too!

  4. Rachel

    I wasn’t super excited to pick this up especially after my experience with the last book: Spirit. I did like Breathless, though, and even though Quinn had annoyed me through the entire series, I couldn’t help but feel sorry for her after that. It seems like she’s annoying again in this one. I have to be honest, I don’t like any of covers from this series, the US ones. The AUS are much better, IMO! Great discussion/review ladies! :)
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    • Wendy Darling

      Uh oh…Quinn has annoyed me since the beginning too, so I suspect you may feel similarly about the parts from her POV in this book. I remember your mixed feelings about SPIRIT, though–do you think this has anything to do with the cast of characters getting bigger? I was talking to someone a few comments below yours about how expanding to Hunter and Quinn’s POVs (even though it turned out I actually did like Hunter’s book) means that we spend way less time with the Merrick boys, who are the most appealing parts of this series to begin with. I wonder if Hunter wouldn’t have been better with a spinoff book after all the boys’ stories were done or something.

      Agreed with you on the covers, though. I don’t love the Aussie covers either, but they’re better than the US ones.

      • Kate Bond

        Yeah, I can see how Quinn might be the best way to bring about the thing that happens by the end of the book, and the book (like the series) has a general theme of people who are terrible in one area of their lives might be lovely in others…you know, like Hitler loving Ava Braun…but I didn’t like Quinn’s POV.

        Ah, well. Michael is next, and you know I love Michael.
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    • Wendy Darling

      Well, we both still liked this book a lot, Mel! It’s only in comparison to the others that likeability even becomes an issue. But yeah, tempering your expectations might not be a bad thing, maybe I built this one up too much in my head. I’m sure you’ll still enjoy it, though.

    • Kate Bond

      Hahaha. She writes REALLY fast. Every time I turn around she has a new book coming out. It’s like reading a romance series in that way. I love it, but once you fall behind, you are BACK there, you know?
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    • Wendy Darling

      C’mon, Jen, you can do it! The boys are waaaaiting. :D

      I’m actually really curious what she’s going to do next. Now that the last one is in sight, she’s got to have something else in the works, right? She’s been so prolific in the short amount of time that she’s been on the scene, that kind of activity can’t just…stop. I don’t think. Though maybe she needs a break, hah. She definitely deserves one.

    • Kate Bond

      What’s crazy is that he has an iPhone, so it is actually HARDER to type the cheesy fake words than the real ones.

      Also, for the record, my dad is not even 60 yet, but he looks older because he smokes a lot.
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    • Wendy Darling

      Yeah, we basically just copy and pasted what would be a normal email conversation between the two of us anyway, hah.

      I have one sister who txtspks to me and it drives me CRAZY. It makes me irrationally angry.

    • Wendy Darling

      You know…some of the boys are cute, but I’m not actually a huge fan of any of the covers, whether it’s the US or Australian versions. But you should ignore all that and give them a try sometime, these boys are smoooookin.’

    • Kate Bond

      If you haven’t started the series yet, you should wait until the last one is released–maybe they’ll do a box set of them.

      I read them on my kindle and now I wish I had a hard copy for re-reading.
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    • Wendy Darling

      Doooooo it, Tabitha. They’re light-hearted but smart, fun but not shallow. Really great when you’re in the mood for something that’s going to keep you entertained but isn’t going to make you memorize a dozen new terms for things or complicated political maneuvers.

      Also, to Kate’s point above, I always get these as print copies too, because this is a series I’ll definitely reread at some point.

  5. Lucy

    Cool shout-out in the book acknowledgments! I need to catch up with this series soon- I’m so behind. You and Kate make sound so fun! Intrigued by Nick and Adam’s relationship especially. And yay for flirty text conversations. I usually like text convos okay in books, but maybe I’ve been lucky so far.
    Great joint review!
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    • Wendy Darling

      It was really nice, I’m sure a lot of the tour bloggers will get a huge kick out of it. :) And yessss, this series is so fun! I’m not sure how many you’ve read, but book two (SPARK) is my favorite, and I really liked Hunter’s book (SPIRIT), too. Kate has wisely been telling people not to be scared off if they were afraid of a non-Merrick book.

  6. Tanja

    First of I must say I love your joined review! It’s so good as if you’re discussing this book over cup of tea :) Anyhow I can shamefully say that I still haven’t started this series. Yes shame on me, but I’ll hopefully soon. Great review, ladies :)
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    • Kate Bond

      Oh, you must read these books, Tanja! They are really, really wonderful!

      And I LOVED writing this review together with Wendy. It was so much fun.
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    • Wendy Darling

      I’ve been trying to get you to read these for AGES, Tanja. I’m going to keep poking you until you do! *poke poke*

      And thank you! I don’t know why we haven’t done this before, a lot of times we basically have enough for a review when we discuss books over email, hah.

  7. Giselle

    Oh man this reminds me how behind I am on this series! I read book 1 and 2 though but still there were a few novellas I wanted to read, too it feels like I’m 5 books behind lol. Anyways, with my terrible memory I need recaps at least the basics! Glad this one seems to really brings you back into the story. I didn’t know the boys were getting criticized for their smack talk – *le gasp* I love their dialogues the most they’re so much fun to read, and yes definitely realistic! I mean I have heard boys talk and they don’t always care who it would offend haha.

    Bahaha, txtspk!! No one texts like that anymore -hello autocorrect makes our txtspk into FULL WORDS! Who knew?? Anyways, the whole LGBT theme is new to me unless I just forgot which is highly possible, but I totally agree about the cover! It does make it look like the romance in the book would be between those 2. “I hope the model doesn’t see this” LOL!!

    Great review style ladies it’s something me and Jenni wanna try soon, too! :)
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    • Kate Bond

      Giselle, I HIGHLY recommend conversation reviews. I’d love to read some between you and Jenni.

      And the txtspk thing drives me absolutely bananas. Brigid does a really good job of making the texted conversation just feel like a conversation.

      And I was just saying to someone lower down–it’s really easy to FEEL like you’re really far behind because of the novellas between books, but those are so, so short, you know?
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    • Wendy Darling

      III know, I get all huffy on the boys’ behalf when I see people chiding them. They’re boys. I don’t know about you, but I know a lot of boys exactly like this who joke around and say totally inappropriate/un-PC things, but are incredibly smart and sweet and loyal beneath all the noise.

      The LGBT thing only popped up the previous novella, “Breathless” as far as I know. But I’m curious to go back to the beginning sometime to see whether there were any hints dropped in the earlier books, I wasn’t paying that much attention.

      And YES you and Jenni should definitely do some joint reviews! Yours would be really fun to read.

    • Kate Bond

      DO. IT. Which one are you on? Spirit was excellent, so if you were putting it off because Hunter is a buzz-kill, do not do that.

      I think people are less behind than they think they are because we forget how short the novellas are.
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        • Kate Bond

          Oh, see, you’re actually only one behind, plus the one novella (Nick’s) that you have to read. That’s not so so bad.

          You know what’s throwing everyone off is that these books come out every eight month, with novellas in between. That’s CRAZY fast. But you have eight whole months to catch up before the final book?
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          • Wendy Darling

            Yeah, the novellas always make me think the series is way bigger than it is, too. You could honestly skip all the novellas without much impact if you wanted to read straight through the books, and then go back to the novellas for further insight. I do that sometimes. Most times, actually.

            • Kate Bond

              I had major end-of-book twists for two books (Scarlet and Elizabeth Norris’s Unbreakable) spoiled for me by the novellas that came before them last year. Such a bummer.

              What I like about Brigid’s novellas is that they just enhance the story. They don’t spoil anything, but they keep you up-to-date on what is happening with the boys who didn’t get as much screentime in the previous novel–but it’s also not a big deal if you skip them. SO many fine lines to walk, and she does it beautifully.
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  8. Melliane

    what a fun review, I loved the way you did it. I know I have them now but I just need more time to read them and I’m really impatient! They sound so good. thanks for the review.

  9. Kim

    This series seems so good but I haven’t read a single one yet! Knowing that you two love it just ups my desire to read. I skimmed this post a little since I don’t want to be *too* spoiled but I loved everything I saw!

    Awhile back, in effort to get a handle on my tbr pile, I put the names of all the titles currently on my Kindle in a mug and told myself “No more new books until this mug is empty”. Er, I’ve been *kind of* good about it. But today I was bad because I added this series’ #1 to it. This is what you do to me ha! :p :)

    The cover bothers me, though. Really? Girl doing the Security Cling behind a beefy dude? Ugh. Or maybe I’m putting too much into that and being obnoxious.

    • Kate Bond

      Well. That’s Quinn, for you. I love that you are as obnoxiously feminist as I am about things like that.

      Also, I have at least 50 unread books that I am really excited about on my Kindle, and still I buy new ones several times a week. Grrrrr.

      By the way, make sure you start with book one, not the 0.5 novella. The novella is better for filling in the story after you’ve read the first book or two.
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    • Wendy Darling

      They’re just really fun books, Kim–I liked the first one, but I loved the second, which I still think is the strongest one. I sometimes can’t tell how people will react to them, though, and I’m not familiar enough with your taste in urban fantasy/PNR to tell yet! Let us know what you think when you get around to them, though.

      Also, so beefy. :-(

  10. Rashika

    You guys just made me fangirl over this book all over again. Faye and I are going to do a discussion post too so it was really interesting to see what you two had to say.

    I have to agree. Quinn’s story arc was my least favorite. I kind of hated her for most of the book and felt like she was too much of a drama queen. I didn’t even think about her dad until you pointed it out, I guess it’s just another case of an absent parent? Or did I miss something by not reading the third book (don’t judge me. I promise, I am getting around to reading it soon). Now that I think of it, HOW DID her brother get a gaming system? If they’re poor, how did they afford it?

    Her relationship with Tyler bothered me as well but I also hated Tyler from the very bottom of my heart and really got annoyed by how everything he did was waived off as his grief for his sister. NOPE. *pouts*. I am never going to forgive him and hated how a character like him was romanticized. It’s not okay that he did any of those things. There is a line and he crossed it.

    Adam did seem too stereotypical but it was kind of contrasted by Nick’s not so stereotypicalness so I wasn’t so bothered by that. I was a little bothered by Gabe. He is my least favorite brother but I love the relationship between the two twins. I was bothered that Gabe basically did nothing to help Nick when Nick needed it most. And when Nick finally came out I basically wanted to punch Gabe. He really needs to learn to be more supportive of his brother.

    I am really really excited for Michael’s story because he is my favorite brother and I called dibs on him ages ago (I am very subtle). Also it’ll be interesting reading in his POV after Elemental. He’s grown up now and I want to see how he’s matured :)

    Great Post Ladies!

    • Kate Bond

      You best step back. Michael is MINE.

      But Gabe is actually my second-favorite. I really loved his book. He hurts my heart.

      And yeah, Tyler is kind of a garbage human being. I appreciate what she did in bringing his character around to not totally hating the family, but maybe Quinn wasn’t the best person to bring him in, since we don’t like her either and HIS BEST FRIEND TRIED TO RAPE HER BEST FRIEND. And, gods help me, I do kind of grudgingly like Tyler now.

      I am REALLY excited that you are doing a discussion about this one, too. I can’t wait to read it!
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      • Rashika

        LOL I love how you said garbage human being :P Honestly, I think the family should never have accepted him. Sure he was sorry and according to them he kind of made up for it but… he’s done too much and I cannot forgive him (I hold grudges). I cannot wrap my head around the idea that .. Quinn essentially got together with a guy whose best friend raped her best friend and she didn’t even bother to ask Becca how she felt. :/

        • Kate Bond

          And Tyler’s explanation is all, “You can’t blame me for what someone else did,” when HE IS THE ONE WHO TRIED TO SHOOT BECCA. He IS a garbage human being. He’s not a teenager–he’s old enough to drink legally! He’s a grown-ass man who bullies and tries to murder teenagers.

          Also, when he kissed Quinn without her permission after he found out that she didn’t “belong” to Nick or whatever his misogynistic reason was.

          I did really enjoy the book, though, and this series is one of my favorites, in any genre.

          I wonder if we’re ever going to find out who the lady with the gun and, um…the brain…was at the end.
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          • Rashika

            Exactly. He is an adult. He should take responsibility for his actions and have to pay for the mistakes he made but what he does is brushed off with some excuse of grief and keeping up appearances. It makes me sad.

            Did Quinn forget the time he burned her and called her white trash? :/ Honestly Quinn would have been a lot more enjoyable had it not been for the romance.

            But Nick’s awesomeness more than made up for where these two lacked because I had a great time reading the book :)

            YEAH THE LADY. I WANT TO KNOW WHO SHE WAS. That was a little creepy. I thought Brigid forgot about her but perhaps Michael’s book will tell us more :D
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    • Wendy Darling

      Yeah, neither Quinn nor Tyler have ever done it for me, and if anything, I disliked them even more in this book. I don’t want to sound pissy, because I really did enjoy the book, but I would have been a lot happier without Quinn’s POV and their scenes, full stop. Their inclusion also meant that we saw less of the boys. And I like see MORE of the boys, always.

      • Rashika

        You don’t sound pissy at all… I spend… 2 days ranting about Quinn and Tyler. I hate both of them. Quinn, I’ve come to understand some but the sad thing is that this would have been my favorite book in the series had it not been for the two of them. Personally I didn’t think Quinn needed a romance, I think she should have found her footing on her own instead of leaning against, well, a psychopath. AND YES. The inclusion meant not enough time with Michael, Chris, Gabriel and Hunter… and it would have been interesting to have Adam’s pov (which I am guessing we would have had had it not been for Quinn).

    • Kate Bond

      I mean… I’d buy that this guy is gay. I have a lot of gay dude friends who are not particularly fashionable or attractive. But NICK, he is not one of those dudes. He knows what’s up.

      Reviewing together like this is SO MUCH FUN. I’m glad you liked it.
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    • Wendy Darling

      Oh yay, I’m so glad you’re a fellow Elementals fan, too! Aren’t these boys dreamy? It’s so great to be in Nick’s head for this, I’m sure you’ll enjoy it.

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